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gogs
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 2:57:59 PM Quote
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Hi all, I am sure a lot of you will have experience of oral steroids. I had a phone call on Tuesday asking me to return to the hospital the following day (yesterday).
After their consultant case conference it had been decided because my lungs are also affected that I should start Azathioprine and oral steroids.

I know that the former is very toxic, but I'm prepared to give it a go, but STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!, that's another story all together. The very idea of taking them really worries me.
The side effects are not good to say the least, but mostly I fear weight gain, it's not a rational fear I know, they will reduce the inflammation etc.......
Unfortunately I am prone to weight gain, and keep to a very strict diet. I'm not too happy about the possible effects on my bones, hair, blood pressure, and potential diabetes etc.... but really it's my weightSad

I told him I wasn't keen to take them, and might not even do it, but you know they sometimes don't really listen to you - even the 'nice' one's.

So please all of you who have a story to tell me about oral steroids - and the doses you were on, can you share them with me?

I took less than prescribed this morning, and as it's my birthday today I'm off out tonight for a nice meal. IF I EAT TOO MUCH I WILL BE TAKING EVEN LESS TOMORROWLOL

Gogs
anne_t
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:49:25 PM Quote
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Hello,
I know it's a personal thing but I hesitated more about the azathioprine than steroids.
The antibiotic is very strong and only given if really necessary. I have been on it since
Christmas and I haven't had a chest infection since then so it must be doing some good.
The steroids are only given in the lowest dose for you but can be adjusted as necessary
very quickly. If you respond well you are more likely to have them as a temporary thing
whilst getting to grips with other things. You don't say what other drugs you are on.
Hope this helps but the Drs. wouldn't put you on them without thinking deeply about
them Take care Anne
gogs
#3 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 4:10:28 PM Quote
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Many thanks Anne,

I do know a bit about Azathioprine - and I've read all the comments belonging to another lady's topic on it - eeh Gods!ThumbDown

I have had injectable steroids a couple of times without any increase in weight, in fact when at the hospital the other day I'd lost some weightThumpUp

I get the impression no one really fears steroids, yet they have the most horrendous silent side effects.

How long will it be before the tablet form kicks in and reduces the pain in my feet, allowing me to walk with any comfort?

I'm going away on Sunday looking for the sun a reason to not want any foot painCool

Gogs

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#4 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 9:37:11 PM Quote
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Hello Gogs. i just wanted to say that both times I was on steroids I actually lost weight. The nurse said it was quite unusual though. However it just goes to show that we are all different in the way we respond to drugs. My first course started at 40 mg and tapered by 5 mg per week over 8 weeks. My second course started at 30 mg and was supposed to be tapered slower at 5 mg per fortnight. Of course it is up to you whether you take them or not but maybe you might like to discuss the efficacy of a lower dose with the consultant. You might feel better about doing this and it could always be adjusted if it doesn't suit. In my case with the second lot of steroids I was really wired up and had trouble sleeping so I discussed it with the nurse and we agreed I could taper a bit quicker at the beginning to get me down to 20 mg a bit quicker. This was a lot more tolerable for me. Don't forget steroids will actually reduce the risk of joint damage occurring and so if you do put on one or two pounds it might be worth it. Whatever you decide, good luck and keep us posted, XXX
Rebecca D
#5 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:19:46 AM Quote
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Hiya Gogs

I know people who have been on oral steroids for over 30years, they have tons of energy and lowered inflammation, but do have problems with bone thinning.

I feel much better after a steroid injection but my rheumatologist and doctor are so against using oral steroids in younger people long term, I keep being told they rot the bones even with a calcium/vit d supplement.

Whatever you decide I wish you some improvement.

Love
Rebecca
sylviax
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:31:04 AM Quote
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Hi Gogs - I've no experience of Azathioprine, but for me oral steroids were great! I had a 4 week course - can't remember the details, but I think it started at 40mg for a week then tapered off. At that time there was a thread going about someone who'd had problems actually coming off them completely which worried me a bit, but I stopped as expected with no flare ups. As I understand it the bone thinning side effect is only (or mainly) the result of long term use.

I have a private suspician that the medics don't want us to get too fond of steroids more because their beneficial effects are so wonderful that we could be in danger of becoming dependant on them, so they give all these dire warnings! Obviously there are some risks but the benefits of a short term course of a few weeks, definitely outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

Good luck with your decision - Sylvia xx
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Anne-P
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:55:02 AM Quote
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Hi Gogs

I've been on steroids for 2 years now... gradually reducing the dose now! I think most people put on some weight - because they make you feel very hungry. I do find that if my mind can remind myself that I am not really hungry - then my weight stays the same... but that is very hard in reality and I get weeks where I eat a lot.. then put on weight!! Although I have found that I can also lose weight while on steroids using slimming world recipes. I must admit the relief I got from being on the steroids has made me a big fan of them!! My GP doesn't mind them, but my consultant does!!

I am very interested to hear you are being put on Azathioprine for your lungs, as I've just been taken off it for a 2nd time because there is concern that it is causing me lung problems!!! I guess there are lots of different lung problems... mine seems to be producing too much mucous.

I do take humira as well though... and in case anyone remembers I do have 2 broken elbows at the moment that aren't healing... but my bone scan was fine - so it was just an accident!! I am assuming it it the immunosuppresants that are making the bones take longer to heal.

You'll have to make the decision yourself.... I tend to give anything they suggest a go and see how it works! So far I have managed to escape from any permanent joint damage. I tend to try one drug at a time though... so I know which one is causing the problem.

Take care
Anne P
Sheila-R
#8 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:20:06 PM Quote
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Hi Gogs,
It's a really difficult one with steroids, I've been taking them for 5 years now - yes no good I know, most of the time the dosage has not been very high something around 5 - 10 mg a day but they initially made the difference in being able to get out of bed and walk a little to being bed bound the dose to do this for me was 30mg for around 5 days reducing to 20 then lower and lower. As other treatments were added such a enbrel, humira, rituximab then the dose was lowered, and just upped a bit if I had a bad flare.
In additon I had individual joints drained and injected with steroids and that dose did keep me awake for a week where I could have got up in the middle of the night and cleaned the house, in fact for five days after hefty doses I only needed around 4 hours sleeep .
I didn't put on any weight for the first 4 years in fact I lost weight - probably through the RA, my blood pressure has remained fine and I don't have diabetes, goodness knows what condition my bones are in but Ido take alendronci acid and adcal D3 which are both supposed to protect and help the bones.
For me they were the only thing that really worked and gave me hope to keep going and trying other treatments. Getting the dosage down is the hardest thing and at present I'm trying to move from 6mg to 5 aday and expect to take around 3 weeks to do this and will have tp put up with a bit of discomfort along the line.
If I remember rightly my consultant told me our bodies make around 7mg of steroid anyway so thats why they like the dose to be 5 or lower, but I do think it depends on individual consultants.
Best wishes in making your decision
Sheila
anne_t
#9 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 1:35:45 AM Quote
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Hi,Anne, I don't recall you breaking your elbows!! How on earth did you do that?
Are you in plaster or what. I am interested because I am due to have an arthroscopy
very soon or elbow replacement. From 1 Anne to another Anne
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:59:18 AM Quote
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Hi Anne
I broke them on holiday in cornwall in August - fell forward onto a concrete path - coming up from the beach. I assume I slipped on sand but fell very heavily putting both arms out and hit elbows very hard! Right wrist scaphoid cracked as well. I wasn't put in plaster... very happy about that! I think because the RA causes swelling they don't like plastering - so I had sling (alternating). They said because of being on steroids, this would slow down the healing which it certainly has! I did slip again on the stairs 3 weeks ago which has impacted the bones - so I think we are back to square one on the healing. The consultant said it was too risky operating on me - because of the RA and not healing up very quickly - I was happy with that!!
I had a dexa scan and my bones are fine... they don't have osteo or anything. So I know the steroids haven't thinned my bones - but they probably have slowed down the healing, along with the humira!
Fortunately I have 2 teenagers at home still - so they are on household duties!!!
love Anne P
brendab
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:33:04 PM Quote
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Hi

I've been on steroids since I was diagnosed in 2007. The highest I've taken is 10mg a day and I was also prescribed Calcichew by my GP to protect my bones. I've also had steroid injections but they make me look like Aunt Sally for a couple of days with bright red cheeks. I'm now down to 3.5mg a day and will try and reduce them further. I was doing really well until I started with hip and leg pain which I thought must be RA. It turned out to be a lump of disc pressing on a nerve in my back. I have two choices either to have an operatation or put up with it and see if it improves on it's own. For this reason I'm leaving the steroids as they are for the time being as I don't want to rock the boat. When I was really ill the steroids were amazing and got me out of bed. Used with care they are a wonderful drug and so make you feel better.

Take care everyone - Brenda
sylviax
#12 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 9:08:59 AM Quote
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Hi Anne P - sorry to hear about your elbows - no wonder we haven't heard much from you for a while, I can't imagine how you've coped with both arms incapacitated!! But I hope it's on the mend now.

Brenda - back pain is so disheartening - I really feel for you. Have you tried gentle exercise? Your physio might be able to suggest some hydrotherapy or other exercises tohelp with posture and to strengthen your core muscles. It's not a magic cure but if you persevere then it helps over time. Good luck trying to reduce the steroids further - it's not good to be dependent on them all the time, I try to think of them as my emergency boost when (if) I get a flare then they're guaranteed to help but day to day I rely on all the other stuff!!

Sylvia xx
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